Mark Zuckerberg – Meta’s AGI Plan

Zuck on:
* Llama 4, benchmark gaming, open vs source
* Intelligence explosion, business models for AGI
* DeepSeek/China, export controls, & Trump
* Orion glasses, AI relationships, and not getting reward-hacking by our tech

Read the transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-2
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dwarkesh-podcast/id1516093381?i=1000705423020
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7Brv4vg9P8a8CNvAN5UsMv?si=d548a8aef39e4b65

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TIMESTAMPS

(00:00:00) – How Llama 4 compares to other models
(00:12:20) – Intelligence explosion
(00:27:22) – AI friends, therapists & girlfriends
(00:35:56) – DeepSeek & China
(00:40:35) – Open source AI
(00:55:01) – Monetizing AGI
(00:59:18) – The role of a CEO
(01:02:50) – Is big tech aligning with Trump?
(01:07:56) – 100x productivity

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